Ortiz is also part of the PED ring. Edgar Martinez, now thats a true crime. Mike Mussina as well.

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Valid.

Its the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA greatest stat players. Grant Hill being 2 time NCAA Champion and the rest of his college career helped get him in. Ralph Sampson is in for the same reason and he only had 3 seasons in the NBA before he got injured. Grant did more in the NBA than him.

He still don't belong there.

i think some people take the "Fame" part of the HOF a bit to far. its in the name, but obviously its more to do with being historically great than simply just being real famous. theres plenty of people in all HOFs that all of us sports fanatics arent familiar with and werent the most visible and famous. Dont cheapen it by overstating the "Fame" part of the name.

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Yao Ming is in because his influence in China and not for NBA statistics.

and thats fine. there's special cases for everything.

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Yao ming is in the HOF?? Thats definitely overstating the "fame "part, which the NBA did, not us. So, thats why we constantly bring up fame.

well he did get a whole country of fans for the NBA.

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Deandre Jordan- 24 mil

Dwight Howard- 5 mil


how??

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Deandre knows his roll...dwight still thinks hes an elite player who should be the focal point of any and all offense.

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well gimme the delusional player at 19 mil less and I'll get the same production from him.

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No you wont and you know it!!! One will also alienate teammates, one wont.

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16/12, 20 PER

12/15, 20 PER

similiar defensive metrics. they're the same fucking player. The value for Howard is insanely better at 19 mil less. Conversation over.

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Its really not man and you know the diff between numbers and quality. Its usually my roll to hold up numbers while you say the reverse.

Dwight is known to put up numbers and the sulk, and have negative effects of your team from it. Its why he gets passed from team to team to teams. Ive already stated this in another thread. Deandre knows his role. There is no malcontent in him. He puts those numbers up without negatively impacting the team. He doesnt need the ball to get those numbers. Strictly lobs and garbage clean up.

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And while you ignore the rest of their stats, deandre shoots better from the field and on the line, grabbed more boards last year, fouls people less, blocks people more, turns the ball over less, lol doesnt whine, doesnt demand the ball, and is like 5 years younger. lol.

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well Deandre hasnt neccessarily done shit in his career so i guess he's not impactful either negatively or positively. Just a guy taking up space.

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at least you salvaged this with the only significant part of this post, the age difference. Fouls people less?? Really, you said that?? .....better ft shooter?? What, 52% to 48%?? Really?? .....you think Deandre is 19 mil better than Dwight?? Because thats the debate. not whose simply better. But looking at them from a statistical POV and the obvious glaring fact that they are highly similar in style and productivity, and one makes 24 mil and the other 5 mil.

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See this is what i mean. Foul ppls less is huge with an idiot like dwight. And you know this. Because the fool is known to get into foul trouble and when hes in it, hes prone to offensive fouls, and all the rest comes tumbling. You've stumbled down the rabbit hole of defending dwight, and i dont know why you decided to take this up.

Dwight is a proven problem everywhere he has gone, qualitative and quantitative. Dandre hasnt. Ones young, ones old. And thats really all it is.

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Dandre isnt unique as a big man getting paid big to do big man shit.

He knows his role, dwight finna fuck your team up tryna act like hes an elite player.

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Dwight is a discount because he's getting bought out of his contract. He's getting 2 checks.

correct. huge omission from the conversation. still hilarious that Jermz thinks Deandre is 19 mil better than Dwight.

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I didnt say he was "better" i said he will give less problems. But the discount argument is a clincher.

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Jermz, you know who else is considered a malcontent and basically plays for a different team every season ala Dwight?? Your boy Rondo. Rondo also hasnt done anything of significance since Boston and isnt even as statistically impressive as Dwight.


Discuss.

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