* Points   
Register    Login    Forum    Search    FAQ

Board index » General Boxing Chat




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:23 am 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
if Canelo is a legitimate top 5 P4P fighter then i see no other way to describe GGGs performance as brilliant. landed over 100 jabs, landed the cleaner harder shots, constantly backed Canelo up and had him on skates, very responsible defensively, and won a competitive but clear decision, an 8-4, 7-5 at worse type of fight. terrific performance.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:59 am 
Status: Offline

Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:13 am
Cash on hand:
20,156.40

Bank:
22,070,690.10

Posts: 15646
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 15 times
National Flag: United States of AmericaUnited States of America
if Canelo is a legitimate top 5 P4P fighter then i see no other way to describe GGGs performance as brilliant. landed over 100 jabs, landed the cleaner harder shots, constantly backed Canelo up and had him on skates, very responsible defensively, and won a competitive but clear decision, an 8-4, 7-5 at worse type of fight. terrific performance.


Its hard to argue, and at the time, I didn't even like his game plan in that fight, I tink he ignored the body too much. But GGG clearly won that 1st fight.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:21 pm 
Status: Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:55 pm
Cash on hand:
81,631.70

Bank:
44,162,957.00

Posts: 4925
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 8 times
National Flag: United States of AmericaUnited States of America
I would have been satisfied seeing a draw, but I thought GGG won as well. I was frustrated thinking GGG just had to push on the gas a little bit more to make it more convincing. We will probably never see him that good again unless he can take this time off for some effective therapeutics. :D

I should watch that one again. :boxer:
in no way did I think Canelo won.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:19 am 
Status: Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:25 pm
Cash on hand:
164,303.15

Posts: 10179
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 18 times
First of all, GGG was the favorite and ranked top 3 in the world at the time. I thought Canelo won. He landed the better punches and also worked the body, something GGG failed to do, probably out of fear of being countered by Canelo faster sharper punches.

GGG rarely landed any clean punches, he landed light jabs here and there, and Canelo clearly won the first three and last three rounds.

Jim Lampley was at his absolute best or worst, whatever you call it, dickriding GGG like crazy. But he wasnt doing shit.

Overall i thought the fight was mediocre and they both could have fought better


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:55 am 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:06 pm
Cash on hand:
14,304.85

Posts: 951
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 1 time
The thing with that matchup is Canelo is/was still improving and GGG was/is on the decline. Canelo also had his Mexican meat to help him in the rematch.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:12 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
yea its obvious why GGG avoided the body. and i think it was smart. what he did in terms of game plan shouldve netted him the win.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:43 pm 
Status: Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:25 pm
Cash on hand:
164,303.15

Posts: 10179
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 18 times
But GGG’s body attack is or was one of the best on boxing at the time. The fact he didnt go there is a plus for Canelo and shows who was really dictating the action in there.

That was foolish of GGG. Talking about “Mexican style” lmaoo clown. That shit went right out the window and it was all “Eastern euro style” at the end of the day lol


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:55 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
But GGG’s body attack is or was one of the best on boxing at the time. The fact he didnt go there is a plus for Canelo and shows who was really dictating the action in there.


disagree. GGG strategically deciding to abandon such a great weapon because it could be used against him, and implementing a different game plan that IMO yielded him a close but clear win, is exactly why it was a brilliant performance.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:17 pm 
Status: Online
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:14 pm
Cash on hand:
183,368.90

Bank:
26,272,933.85

Posts: 28555
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 51 times
National Flag: JamaicaJamaica
I dunno man, if abandoning your greatest weapon is not a sign of greatness and strategic adaptation. Greatness would be if he could find a way to use it in addition to the other wrinkled he deployed. Probably would have made the fight too clear for the judges to pluck victory from him. Falls short of brilliance in my opinion.

_________________


Image


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:24 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
using his greatest weapon wouldve played into Canelos hands. you're asking him to be stubborn instead of smart. yes he was known as a great body puncher, but going to the body against Monroe, Macklin, and Wade is far different then doing so vs Canelo. ya trippin. if the judges did their jobs, ya would sound retarded right now, literally arguing against victory.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:26 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
and if you're judging, you dont hold it against GGG that he didn't go to the body. we are asking boxers to win, we're not telling them HOW to win.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:39 pm 
Status: Online
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:14 pm
Cash on hand:
183,368.90

Bank:
26,272,933.85

Posts: 28555
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 51 times
National Flag: JamaicaJamaica
Austinholic_3:16 wrote:
and if you're judging, you dont hold it against GGG that he didn't go to the body. we are asking boxers to win, we're not telling them HOW to win.


Well no fuckin shit you dont. Where did I say that? Youre getting too hard in your own opinion here.

If he mixed it up and deployed his better weapon more....what im saying is he looks more impressive to the judges. So the judges score him more rounds by virtue of him winning the rounds not because hes scoring what hes good at.

Lets not make Canelo out to be immune to body shots or some other kind of silliness that an A class fighter abandons using the punch all together...and then call it strategy when he does it. And then call it Brilliance. :hearty-laugh:

_________________


Image


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:50 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
who said i was just talking to you and only you?? if it applies to you then fine, if not then fall back. and yes it was clearly a strategic decision to not attack the body for fear of being countered by the faster sharper puncher. what else would you call it??

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:14 pm 
Status: Online
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:14 pm
Cash on hand:
183,368.90

Bank:
26,272,933.85

Posts: 28555
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 51 times
National Flag: JamaicaJamaica
Fall back where? Fuck brilliance. Shit wasnt Brilliant. This bullshit here requires some BHO past posts.

I dont even care about it calling it strategic. I could easily call it fear. He was scared to go to the body. Aint strategy if hes motivated by fear....and youd have no grounds to say im wrong. Point is your bandy around the word brilliant in a losing effort where the loser didnt use or find a way to use his bread and butter, in a fight where he went in talking about mixing it up and then tried to jab his way to victory....and lost.

Not Brilliant.

_________________


Image


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:26 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
he didn't lose. so your post is all moot. :lol:

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:37 pm 
Status: Online
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:14 pm
Cash on hand:
183,368.90

Bank:
26,272,933.85

Posts: 28555
Has thanked: 35 times
Been thanked: 51 times
National Flag: JamaicaJamaica
he didn't lose. so your post is all moot. :lol:


Fuckin draw :kopfpatsch: :lol: Aint no Brilliance in drawing :lol:

_________________


Image


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:00 am 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:32 pm
Cash on hand:
14,554.10

Bank:
183,529.00

Posts: 1225
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 0 time
National Flag: United States of AmericaUnited States of America
I am over here on an island scoring both fights for Canelo. I also scored the Lara fight for Canelo on the basis of masterful body work.

Im not a Canelo fanboy but somehow I seem to always favor him with my scoring.

My Dad rewatched Canelo vs GGG2 on silent and literally changed his scorecard from Canelo close to GGG close.

Ive never rewatched any of them. Ill stick by intoxicated scorecards f it. But yeah Gennady is a G no pun intended. He proved himself as legit even in defeat imo.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:12 am 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
i think Canelo scored about as clear a win in the rematch as GGG did in fight #1. IMO scoring for Canelo in fight 1 and GGG in fight 2 is kind of bad scoring.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:04 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:13 am
Cash on hand:
20,156.40

Bank:
22,070,690.10

Posts: 15646
Has thanked: 52 times
Been thanked: 15 times
National Flag: United States of AmericaUnited States of America
i think Canelo scored about as clear a win in the rematch as GGG did in fight #1. IMO scoring for Canelo in fight 1 and GGG in fight 2 is kind of bad scoring.


THis is 100% real.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:54 pm 
Status: Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:26 pm
Cash on hand:
1,043.65

Bank:
16,542,550.65

Posts: 1860
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 11 times
National Flag: United States of AmericaUnited States of America
I scored both fights a draw. In the ridiculous Max Kellerman criteria, I would have preferred to be Golovkin after the first fight and Canelo after the second, but that's not how fights are scored.

Golovkin fighting Canelo even is admirable, I guess, but the goal posts are really being moved in. He was supposed to be an unbeatable monster, an all time great middleweight, with Canelo moving up, and now it's like, "He got a draw in the first one, that's pretty good!"

_________________
Gruber>Dbo>Jermz>Souljah>Burowz>Kaos>Truth>Anis>Geo>CGJ>Cole>Bonea>
>Moe>Prime>>Joso>Vendetta> Wlad>>Finito>Victor......................... :bb: :bb: :bb: :bb: FUCKS WIT ME!!!


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:24 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
yea i definitely wouldn't be pumping up a legit draw. but i had GGG winning, and not even razor thin. close competitive but definitely clear.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:54 am 
Status: Offline

Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:24 pm
Cash on hand:
10,166.55

Posts: 748
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 3 times
Stupid fans judge fights by total damage done... this isn't a street fight.... These fights are scored by rounds. So what if a guy does well some rounds.. do it the whole 12....

Another comment that was bullshit that nobody paid attention to was the garbage about GGG being Responsible Defensively... A load of Crap...He got tagged with shots a defensive fighter would have seen from a mile away... GGG is a robotic fighter with little athleticism.

He has his own self to blame both fights for not fighting for the whole 12 rounds... Fighters aren't rewarded for taking rounds off...those are scored rounds for the opponent.

_________________
Image

"He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." Lou Duva


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:58 am 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:18 pm
Cash on hand:
8,872.55

Posts: 532
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time
I didn't have the first fight close and scored it a clear win for GGG, thought he manhandled him. Wild boar Canelo did much better 2nd time around although not sure he did enough to win, but no complaining about that decision.


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2020 10:39 pm 
Status: Offline

Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:28 pm
Cash on hand:
172,435.70

Posts: 27320
Has thanked: 26 times
Been thanked: 57 times
National Flag: RussiaRussia
the problem with stupid fans is that they find these lame cliche theories to criticize a fighter, like " he didnt fight all 12 rds, you dont take rds off," meanwhile the other guy threw 200 less punches and backed up the majority of the fight. then they say stupid shit like "do it the whole 12." HUH?? so a guy is now supposed to win ALL the rds?? do all these falsified wanna be smart cliche theories apply to just one fighter?? then these stupid fans go for that exaggeration shock factor like they're trying to impress a bunch of 12 year olds by saying "this isnt a street fight." yea no shit.  they usually dont throw jabs in street fights. the jab is one of the biggest staples of sound technical boxing.  one guy landed over 100 of them while the other landed like 20.

fuck outta here.

_________________
I hope all of you keel over dead


Top 
 Profile  
 
 Post Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:02 am 
Status: Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:25 pm
Cash on hand:
164,303.15

Posts: 10179
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 18 times
Man nothing like watching GGG take apart bums. Its a thing of beauty. He looked great tonight, albeit against a bum, and still slow. But his punch selection, jab, very nice very sharp. He showed some good head movement snd picked off punches great with his gloves.

I want him vs Charlo or that puss Andrade. I would favor both of them over him due to the speed but they aint never been hit by anything close to GGG or dealt with a jab like that.


Top 
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
 
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

Board index » General Boxing Chat


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests

 
 

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: